Testing

[tunnckoCore]

Isn't just enough to not use babel and etc? Why we need this and ES6 syntax and imports at all. It is just overhead. With that we can just remove babel from deps and they will look more clean.

/cc @developit

[developit]

@tunnckoCore maybe we can just drop Babel and switch from babel-register to buble/register? (example)

The tests aren't async (and likely don't ever need to be), so bublé should be enough for them.

[tunnckoCore]

Don't know if buble has register, but don't see fit they to be ES6 et al ;d needless more dev time, but that's self preference.

edit: damn me, didn't clicked the example link. So yea, we can move to it.

[tunnckoCore]

@developit, actually no, we can just use buble/register, because Buble itself does not understand import/exports. rollup/rollup#657 (comment)

If we change them to use require()s, we totally can just use plain node. We don't have strong need to be ES6.

[tunnckoCore]

Meh.. currently I don't see any easy switch - followed few threads but not seems better than current approach with babel and tons of devDeps. As I'm building @rolldown and Muka v1 i can come with a solution for better testing and config around that ecosystem and not using Babel, AVA or such.

[developit]

Buble and switching to requires seems decent enough.

[tunnckoCore]

if we switch to requires not make sense to use buble et al since we run tests only on node 6

[developit]

true, node 6 has arrow functions right? that's all I cared about

[tunnckoCore]

Yea, exactly. So we can just switch to requires and remove the whole test build overhead, just using mocha and arrows.

[developit]

I'm not against that, if you're up for it. Nice to drop the babel dep given it was only for testing.
I guess another option would be Ava where it's bundled in.

or you know, we write a 500b test framework

[tunnckoCore]

cool, i'll do that in a free time.

or you know, we write a 500b test framework

haha, yea. actually pretty easy idea btw, for around mid 2017 or early 2018 when everything is ES6 (or at least node v4). also i'm working on minimal framework too ;p

[developit]

wondering if rollup (or something) could be used to speed things up (for a tiny test fw)

[tunnckoCore]

yeap, the cli of that small fw would run through rollup ;p thats on my todo and is in process :))

edit: actually mentioned rolldown project, so presets and plus import/export support included. kinda how ava works under the hood

[nmakod]

@developit , @tunnckoCore , I think this issue is no longer relevant and can be closed ?