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2018-10-30 20:05:05 ~japaric ok, let's start this meeting (agenda: https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Embedded-WG--AQl4J8ppnsDri6QEKnJE9L8mAg-5pdv734N8KpxHFMJijuoL )
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2018-10-30 20:05:45 ~japaric (we don't seem to have too many people today; maybe they'll show up one hour late ...)
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2018-10-30 20:06:02 ~japaric as usual we'll go over the milestone issues
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2018-10-30 20:06:13 ~japaric issue 1: book intro
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2018-10-30 20:06:19 ~japaric PR 40 landed
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2018-10-30 20:06:35 @theJPster yay
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2018-10-30 20:07:08 ~japaric I think there's not much to left to do in this chapter
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2018-10-30 20:07:16 ~japaric the version in the installation page should be updated to 1.31
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2018-10-30 20:07:49 @theJPster is this all being aimed at 1.31-stable, with 2018 edition syntax?
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2018-10-30 20:08:08 @theJPster I presumed there was no value in having an intermediate release which worked with 1.30 stable.
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2018-10-30 20:08:44 @therealprof There're not too many differences anyway.
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2018-10-30 20:09:38 @theJPster Yeah, just the extern crate stuff. I got excited and went to try the examples on 1.30-stable but nothing worked. I guess I was just six weeks early.
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2018-10-30 20:12:34 ~japaric We could have a 2015-quickstart template with the examples written for the 2015 edition
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2018-10-30 20:12:55 ~japaric but I don't think we should change the text which is already using the 2018 edition
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2018-10-30 20:13:42 @therealprof Don't see the value in that.
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2018-10-30 20:15:07 ~japaric yeah, if you are using 1.31-beta you are not using unstable features and you'll be using stable in 5 weeks
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2018-10-30 20:15:27 ~japaric ok, next up: issue 2 - getting started chapter
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2018-10-30 20:15:37 ~japaric I think this is S-waiting-on-japaric
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2018-10-30 20:16:13 ~japaric any other update on this other than the bullets from last week?
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2018-10-30 20:16:46 @theJPster is this #46?
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2018-10-30 20:17:09 @theJPster if so, yes.
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2018-10-30 20:17:19 @theJPster (yes, we're waiting on you :p )
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2018-10-30 20:17:21 ~japaric theJPster: yes, this includes 46
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2018-10-30 20:17:50 ~japaric ok, issue 3: collections is also S-waiting-on-japaric
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2018-10-30 20:18:33 ~japaric next, issue 4: concurrency
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2018-10-30 20:19:09 ~japaric adamgreig is not around but related to this issue: cortex-m-rtfm v0.4.x will be released Very Soon (TM)
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2018-10-30 20:19:24 @therealprof +1
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2018-10-30 20:19:54 ryankurte exciting!
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2018-10-30 20:20:09 ~japaric other than that this chapter is in good shape
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2018-10-30 20:20:22 ~japaric we might update the section on RTFM a bit after v0.4.x is out
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2018-10-30 20:21:05 ~japaric issue 5: portability - therealprof any updates?
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2018-10-30 20:21:15 ~japaric I think jamesmunns wrote some updates on the meeting issue
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2018-10-30 20:21:18 @therealprof Yes. Wrote a draft yesterday.
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2018-10-30 20:21:35 @therealprof jamesmunns: Instapproved it. ;)
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2018-10-30 20:22:01 @therealprof I'll follow up with some code and possibly a diagram.
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2018-10-30 20:22:21 ~japaric therealprof: +1
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2018-10-30 20:22:46 ~japaric for the record, the draft that landed was https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/pull/64
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2018-10-30 20:22:55 @theJPster how do we do diagrams in the book?
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2018-10-30 20:22:57 ~japaric there's a list of TODO items for this chapter in https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/issues/65
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2018-10-30 20:23:19 @theJPster Can we embed SVG and expect it to be rendered? Do we simply upload a PNG? What resolution?
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2018-10-30 20:23:34 ~japaric theJPster: SVG works fine
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2018-10-30 20:23:40 @therealprof NB: The new beta features "suggestions" is increadibly useful to suggest corrections.
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2018-10-30 20:24:06 @theJPster japaric, good to know. Thanks.
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2018-10-30 20:24:48 ~japaric images will be 720 pixels in width when viewed on a 1920x1080 resolution
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2018-10-30 20:25:06 ~japaric therealprof: what feature is this?
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2018-10-30 20:25:25 ~japaric (cargo feature? rustc feature?)
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2018-10-30 20:25:33 @theJPster github feature :)
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2018-10-30 20:25:34 @therealprof GitHub feature.
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2018-10-30 20:26:05 @therealprof Allows to make inline suggestions instead of remarks which the author can simply accept/reject or refine.
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2018-10-30 20:26:15 ~japaric ack
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2018-10-30 20:26:19 @therealprof Very useful for tipos and such.
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2018-10-30 20:26:52 ~japaric next up, issue 6: static guarantees
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2018-10-30 20:27:09 ~japaric this is also waiting for me to put some notes on singletons / memory management
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2018-10-30 20:27:15 @therealprof Only hard to find. Basically you click on the plus sign and then there's a new document icon with a +/- sign at the top in the middle of the comment box.
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2018-10-30 20:27:45 @theJPster japaric, how do you feel about all these actions and the five weeks we have left?
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2018-10-30 20:31:48 ~japaric I think we should start collecting feedback on the book as it is and land additional stuff in some staging section first and not merge it with the rest until after the edition release, probably
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2018-10-30 20:32:12 @theJPster ok
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2018-10-30 20:33:58 @therealprof Hm, to what benefit?
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2018-10-30 20:34:59 ~japaric therealprof: to indicate that the section is not finalized but that you are looking for feedback. A PR works too but a staging section may have more visibility
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2018-10-30 20:36:10 @therealprof Ah, okay, I understood that differently. As is: We shouldn't touch the book when 2018 lands and put changes after that point into a staging area.
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2018-10-30 20:36:18 @therealprof *As in:
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2018-10-30 20:39:39 ~japaric we can do the staging for the content that gets added after 2018 is out as well
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2018-10-30 20:40:26 ~japaric issue 7: tips for C/C++. Anyone knows the status of this?
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2018-10-30 20:42:06 @theJPster nope, sorry
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2018-10-30 20:42:16 @theJPster it's quiet tonight, isn't it.
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2018-10-30 20:42:59 @therealprof Sure is.
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2018-10-30 20:43:19 ~japaric alright, issue 8: C / Rust interop
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2018-10-30 20:43:38 ~japaric issues #61 and #62 have been linked from the book
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2018-10-30 20:44:50 ~japaric as per last week discussion that's all the content planned for this chapter for the edition release
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2018-10-30 20:47:03 @theJPster I have a few comments about thumbv8
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2018-10-30 20:47:13 @theJPster I have a thumbv8m board :)
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2018-10-30 20:47:40 ~japaric theJPster: we are not done triaging issues; please wait a bit
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2018-10-30 20:47:50 ~japaric issue 9: book outline, jamesmunns wrote about the URLs in https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/issues/52#issuecomment-434245974
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2018-10-30 20:51:40 ~japaric ryankurte: any update on the other book?
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2018-10-30 20:52:01 ~japaric ryankurte: also any update on updating the DNS stuff? i.e. docs.rust-embedded.org
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2018-10-30 20:52:16 ryankurte on the book, not since last week (though I was afk then)
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2018-10-30 20:52:25 ryankurte hopefully more this weekend
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2018-10-30 20:53:19 ryankurte one the dns, I still don't have a working role to alter anything myself
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2018-10-30 20:53:20 ryankurte https://github.com/nastevens/rust-embedded-provisioning/pull/5
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2018-10-30 20:54:31 ~japaric ok, I'll e-mail nastevens after this meeting
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2018-10-30 20:54:50 ryankurte thanks ^_^
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2018-10-30 20:54:58 ~japaric theJPster: you were saying about armv8m?
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2018-10-30 20:55:29 @theJPster er, I have a Cortex-M23 dev board on my desk
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2018-10-30 20:55:31 ~japaric (for the record, issue 12 is waiting-on-author and issue 20 is effectively done)
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2018-10-30 20:56:07 @theJPster I raised an issue on cortex-m-rt about it failing to parse targets when they are a path to a JSON file as opposed to a built in
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2018-10-30 20:56:14 @theJPster because my target starts "./" not "thumb"
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2018-10-30 20:56:49 @theJPster https://github.com/rust-embedded/cortex-m-rt/issues/145
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2018-10-30 20:56:58 @theJPster That's all I've got. Looking forward to evq's patches.
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2018-10-30 20:58:00 ~japaric I believe rustc (or Cargo) needs to be updated to support dots in target names before the thumbv8m target lands in rustc
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2018-10-30 20:58:29 @theJPster Yes
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2018-10-30 20:58:29 @theJPster https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/55041#issuecomment-431367712
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2018-10-30 20:58:41 @therealprof I think I might have fixed the svd2rust compilation troubles but now bors is acting up.
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2018-10-30 20:58:47 @therealprof https://github.com/rust-embedded/svd2rust/pull/244
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2018-10-30 20:59:57 @therealprof Any ideas what we can do? And can we somehow reduce the CI build time considerably?
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2018-10-30 21:00:07 ~japaric therealprof: hmm, it says build failed even though the build succeeded, or?
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2018-10-30 21:00:14 * japaric is not really sure what's wrong
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2018-10-30 21:00:49 @therealprof jamesmunns approved it earlier, by the time I was home it said "Cancelled".
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2018-10-30 21:01:00 ryankurte therealprof: including the nightly macro change?
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2018-10-30 21:01:11 @therealprof I just did a retry and now it's waiting for whatever…
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2018-10-30 21:01:35 ryankurte it's a shame bors can't be prompted to re-check a previous build :-/
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2018-10-30 21:02:07 @therealprof ryankurte: I think the problem fixed itself, now nightly was complaining about a removed allow flag.
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2018-10-30 21:02:44 @therealprof ryankurte: And something else changed as well so msp430 wants to have pub use self::interrupt::Interrupt instead of without self.
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2018-10-30 21:03:12 @therealprof Travis successfully built this 3 times now but bors doesn't merge it for some reason.
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2018-10-30 21:03:50 ~japaric meeting time is over. Thanks everyone for attending!

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