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jcollins-disney opened this issue Dec 13, 2024 · 6 comments · Fixed by #165589, #166870 or #166889
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a: accessibility Accessibility, e.g. VoiceOver or TalkBack. (aka a11y) customer: castaway framework flutter/packages/flutter repository. See also f: labels. P1 High-priority issues at the top of the work list platform-mac Building on or for macOS specifically platform-web Web applications specifically platform-windows Building on or for Windows specifically r: fixed Issue is closed as already fixed in a newer version team-web Owned by Web platform team triaged-web Triaged by Web platform team

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jcollins-disney commented Dec 13, 2024

Steps to reproduce

NVDA, JAWS, and VoiceOver Screen readers cannot list or move focus to elements outside of the current viewport. Any elements that have scrolled out of view or haven't yet been scrolled into view will NOT be reachable via screen reader basic keyboard commands for reading and navigating web content.

Examples:

Function JAWS Shortcut NVDA Shortcut VoiceOver Shortcut
Next Heading H, 1-6 for heading level H, 1-6 for heading level Control Option Command H
List Headings Insert F6 Insert F7 to open Elements list, Select the "Headings" radio button Control Option U, Press left/right arrow keys until the "Heading" menu is displayed
Next Link U for unvisited link, V for visited link K for link, U for unvisited, link V for visited link Control Option Command L for link, Control Option Command V for visited link
List Links Insert F7 Insert F7 to open Elements list, Select the "Links" radio button Control Option U, Press left/right arrow keys until the "Links" menu is displayed
Next Button B B N/A
List Buttons Control Insert B Insert F7 to open Elements list, Select the "Buttons" radio button Control Option U, Press left/right arrow keys until the "Form Controls" menu is displayed
Next Form Control F F Control Option Command J
Next Table T T Control Option Command T
Next Landmark R D N/A
Next List L L Control Option Command X

Expected results

  • The "Next" keyboard shortcuts should move the screen reader focus to the next element of that type which exists on the page, not just the elements displayed in the current viewport
  • The lists should contain all elements of that type which exist on the page, not just the elements displayed in the current viewport

Actual results

  • The "Next" keyboard shortcuts only move the screen reader focus to the next element of that type which is displayed in the current viewport
  • The lists only contain elements of that type which are displayed in the current viewport

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Flutter (Channel beta, 3.27.0-0.1.pre, on macOS 14.5 23F79 darwin-arm64, locale en-US)

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Thanks for the report @jcollins-disney
Can you provide flutter doctor -v to know on which version are you seeing this behavior ?
Are you referring to windows and macos desktop + web platforms for this ?
Can you also take a look at this issue and open issues listed in this comment to check if they resemble your case or not ?

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@darshankawar:

  • I've added the flutter doctor -v info to the summary above
  • Yes, this is Windows and macOS desktop web
  • Issue 83809 seems to be unrelated to the issue I've listed on this ticket

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Thanks for the update.

@darshankawar darshankawar added a: accessibility Accessibility, e.g. VoiceOver or TalkBack. (aka a11y) platform-mac Building on or for macOS specifically platform-windows Building on or for Windows specifically platform-web Web applications specifically framework flutter/packages/flutter repository. See also f: labels. team-accessibility Owned by Framework Accessibility team (i.e. responsible for accessibility code in flutter/flutter) and removed in triage Presently being triaged by the triage team labels Dec 16, 2024
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chunhtai commented Jan 9, 2025

I think this may be due to insufficient cache extent, but I am not to familiar with desktop screen reader on web. assign to web team for further triage

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Currently when using a `CustomScrollView`, screen readers cannot list or
move focus to elements that are outside the current Viewport and cache
extent because we do not create semantic nodes for these elements.

This change introduces `SliverEnsureSemantics` which ensures its sliver
child is included in the semantics tree, whether or not it is currently
visible on the screen or within the cache extent. This way screen
readers are aware the elements are there and can navigate to them /
create accessibility traversal menus with this information.
* Under the hood a new flag has been added to `RenderSliver` called
`ensureSemantics`. `RenderViewportBase` uses this in its
`visitChildrenForSemantics` to ensure a sliver is visited when creating
the semantics tree. Previously a sliver was not visited if it was not
visible or within the cache extent. `RenderViewportBase` also uses this
in `describeSemanticsClip` and `describeApproximatePaintClip` to ensure
a sliver child that wants to "ensure semantics" is not clipped out if it
is not currently visible in the viewport or outside the cache extent.
* `RenderSliverMultiBoxAdaptor.semanticBounds` now leverages its first
child as an anchor for assistive technologies to be able to reach it if
the Sliver is a child of `SliverEnsureSemantics`. If not it will still
be dropped from the semantics tree.
* `RenderProxySliver` now considers child overrides of `semanticBounds`.

On the engine side we move from using a joystick method to scroll with
`SemanticsAction.scrollUp` and `SemanticsAction.scrollDown` to using
`SemanticsAction.scrollToOffset` completely letting the browser drive
the scrolling with its current dom scroll position "scrollTop" or
"scrollLeft". This is possible by calculating the total quantity of
content under the scrollable and sizing the scroll element based on
that.

<details open><summary>Code sample</summary>

```dart
// Copyright 2014 The Flutter Authors. All rights reserved.
// Use of this source code is governed by a BSD-style license that can be
// found in the LICENSE file.

import 'package:flutter/material.dart';
import 'package:flutter/rendering.dart';

/// Flutter code sample for [SliverEnsureSemantics].

void main() => runApp(const SliverEnsureSemanticsExampleApp());

class SliverEnsureSemanticsExampleApp extends StatelessWidget {
  const SliverEnsureSemanticsExampleApp({super.key});

  @OverRide
  Widget build(BuildContext context) {
    return const MaterialApp(home: SliverEnsureSemanticsExample());
  }
}

class SliverEnsureSemanticsExample extends StatefulWidget {
  const SliverEnsureSemanticsExample({super.key});

  @OverRide
  State<SliverEnsureSemanticsExample> createState() =>
      _SliverEnsureSemanticsExampleState();
}

class _SliverEnsureSemanticsExampleState
    extends State<SliverEnsureSemanticsExample> {
  @OverRide
  Widget build(BuildContext context) {
    final ThemeData theme = Theme.of(context);
    return Scaffold(
      appBar: AppBar(
        backgroundColor: theme.colorScheme.inversePrimary,
        title: const Text('SliverEnsureSemantics Demo'),
      ),
      body: Center(
        child: CustomScrollView(
          semanticChildCount: 106,
          slivers: <Widget>[
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 0,
                  child: Card(
                    child: Padding(
                      padding: const EdgeInsets.all(8.0),
                      child: Column(
                        crossAxisAlignment: CrossAxisAlignment.start,
                        children: <Widget>[
                          Semantics(
                            header: true,
                            headingLevel: 3,
                            child: Text(
                              'Steps to reproduce',
                              style: theme.textTheme.headlineSmall,
                            ),
                          ),
                          const Text('Issue description'),
                          Semantics(
                            header: true,
                            headingLevel: 3,
                            child: Text(
                              'Expected Results',
                              style: theme.textTheme.headlineSmall,
                            ),
                          ),
                          Semantics(
                            header: true,
                            headingLevel: 3,
                            child: Text(
                              'Actual Results',
                              style: theme.textTheme.headlineSmall,
                            ),
                          ),
                          Semantics(
                            header: true,
                            headingLevel: 3,
                            child: Text(
                              'Code Sample',
                              style: theme.textTheme.headlineSmall,
                            ),
                          ),
                          Semantics(
                            header: true,
                            headingLevel: 3,
                            child: Text(
                              'Screenshots',
                              style: theme.textTheme.headlineSmall,
                            ),
                          ),
                          Semantics(
                            header: true,
                            headingLevel: 3,
                            child: Text(
                              'Logs',
                              style: theme.textTheme.headlineSmall,
                            ),
                          ),
                        ],
                      ),
                    ),
                  ),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverFixedExtentList(
              itemExtent: 44.0,
              delegate: SliverChildBuilderDelegate(
                (BuildContext context, int index) {
                  return Card(
                    child: Padding(
                      padding: const EdgeInsets.all(8.0),
                      child: Text('Item $index'),
                    ),
                  );
                },
                childCount: 50,
                semanticIndexOffset: 1,
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 51,
                  child: Card(
                    child: Padding(
                      padding: const EdgeInsets.all(8.0),
                      child: Semantics(
                        header: true,
                        child: const Text('Footer 1'),
                      ),
                    ),
                  ),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 52,
                  child: Card(
                    child: Padding(
                      padding: const EdgeInsets.all(8.0),
                      child: Semantics(
                        header: true,
                        child: const Text('Footer 2'),
                      ),
                    ),
                  ),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 53,
                  child: Semantics(link: true, child: const Text('Link #1')),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 54,
                  child: OverflowBar(
                    children: <Widget>[
                      TextButton(
                        onPressed: () {},
                        child: const Text('Button 1'),
                      ),
                      TextButton(
                        onPressed: () {},
                        child: const Text('Button 2'),
                      ),
                    ],
                  ),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 55,
                  child: Semantics(link: true, child: const Text('Link #2')),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverSemanticsList(
                sliver: SliverFixedExtentList(
                  itemExtent: 44.0,
                  delegate: SliverChildBuilderDelegate(
                    (BuildContext context, int index) {
                      return Semantics(
                        role: SemanticsRole.listItem,
                        child: Card(
                          child: Padding(
                            padding: const EdgeInsets.all(8.0),
                            child: Text('Second List Item $index'),
                          ),
                        ),
                      );
                    },
                    childCount: 50,
                    semanticIndexOffset: 56,
                  ),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 107,
                  child: Semantics(link: true, child: const Text('Link #3')),
                ),
              ),
            ),
          ],
        ),
      ),
    );
  }
}

// A sliver that assigns the role of SemanticsRole.list to its sliver child.
class SliverSemanticsList extends SingleChildRenderObjectWidget {
  const SliverSemanticsList({super.key, required Widget sliver})
    : super(child: sliver);

  @OverRide
  RenderSliverSemanticsList createRenderObject(BuildContext context) =>
      RenderSliverSemanticsList();
}

class RenderSliverSemanticsList extends RenderProxySliver {
  @OverRide
  void describeSemanticsConfiguration(SemanticsConfiguration config) {
    super.describeSemanticsConfiguration(config);
    config.role = SemanticsRole.list;
  }
}
```
</details>

Fixes: #160217

## Pre-launch Checklist

- [x] I read the [Contributor Guide] and followed the process outlined
there for submitting PRs.
- [x] I read the [Tree Hygiene] wiki page, which explains my
responsibilities.
- [x] I read and followed the [Flutter Style Guide], including [Features
we expect every widget to implement].
- [x] I signed the [CLA].
- [x] I listed at least one issue that this PR fixes in the description
above.
- [x] I updated/added relevant documentation (doc comments with `///`).
- [x] I added new tests to check the change I am making, or this PR is
[test-exempt].
- [x] I followed the [breaking change policy] and added [Data Driven
Fixes] where supported.
- [x] All existing and new tests are passing.

---------

Co-authored-by: Renzo Olivares <[email protected]>
@darshankawar darshankawar added the r: fixed Issue is closed as already fixed in a newer version label Apr 9, 2025
github-merge-queue bot pushed a commit that referenced this issue Apr 9, 2025
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Reverts: #165589
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<!-- start_initiating_author -->
Initiated by: Renzo-Olivares
<!-- end_initiating_author -->
<!-- start_revert_reason -->
Reason for reverting: breaking internal tests
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Original PR Author: Renzo-Olivares
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Reviewed By: {Piinks}
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<!-- start_revert_body -->
This change reverts the following previous change:
Currently when using a `CustomScrollView`, screen readers cannot list or
move focus to elements that are outside the current Viewport and cache
extent because we do not create semantic nodes for these elements.

This change introduces `SliverEnsureSemantics` which ensures its sliver
child is included in the semantics tree, whether or not it is currently
visible on the screen or within the cache extent. This way screen
readers are aware the elements are there and can navigate to them /
create accessibility traversal menus with this information.
* Under the hood a new flag has been added to `RenderSliver` called
`ensureSemantics`. `RenderViewportBase` uses this in its
`visitChildrenForSemantics` to ensure a sliver is visited when creating
the semantics tree. Previously a sliver was not visited if it was not
visible or within the cache extent. `RenderViewportBase` also uses this
in `describeSemanticsClip` and `describeApproximatePaintClip` to ensure
a sliver child that wants to "ensure semantics" is not clipped out if it
is not currently visible in the viewport or outside the cache extent.
* `RenderSliverMultiBoxAdaptor.semanticBounds` now leverages its first
child as an anchor for assistive technologies to be able to reach it if
the Sliver is a child of `SliverEnsureSemantics`. If not it will still
be dropped from the semantics tree.
* `RenderProxySliver` now considers child overrides of `semanticBounds`.

On the engine side we move from using a joystick method to scroll with
`SemanticsAction.scrollUp` and `SemanticsAction.scrollDown` to using
`SemanticsAction.scrollToOffset` completely letting the browser drive
the scrolling with its current dom scroll position "scrollTop" or
"scrollLeft". This is possible by calculating the total quantity of
content under the scrollable and sizing the scroll element based on
that.

<details open><summary>Code sample</summary>

```dart
// Copyright 2014 The Flutter Authors. All rights reserved.
// Use of this source code is governed by a BSD-style license that can be
// found in the LICENSE file.

import 'package:flutter/material.dart';
import 'package:flutter/rendering.dart';

/// Flutter code sample for [SliverEnsureSemantics].

void main() => runApp(const SliverEnsureSemanticsExampleApp());

class SliverEnsureSemanticsExampleApp extends StatelessWidget {
  const SliverEnsureSemanticsExampleApp({super.key});

  @OverRide
  Widget build(BuildContext context) {
    return const MaterialApp(home: SliverEnsureSemanticsExample());
  }
}

class SliverEnsureSemanticsExample extends StatefulWidget {
  const SliverEnsureSemanticsExample({super.key});

  @OverRide
  State<SliverEnsureSemanticsExample> createState() =>
      _SliverEnsureSemanticsExampleState();
}

class _SliverEnsureSemanticsExampleState
    extends State<SliverEnsureSemanticsExample> {
  @OverRide
  Widget build(BuildContext context) {
    final ThemeData theme = Theme.of(context);
    return Scaffold(
      appBar: AppBar(
        backgroundColor: theme.colorScheme.inversePrimary,
        title: const Text('SliverEnsureSemantics Demo'),
      ),
      body: Center(
        child: CustomScrollView(
          semanticChildCount: 106,
          slivers: <Widget>[
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 0,
                  child: Card(
                    child: Padding(
                      padding: const EdgeInsets.all(8.0),
                      child: Column(
                        crossAxisAlignment: CrossAxisAlignment.start,
                        children: <Widget>[
                          Semantics(
                            header: true,
                            headingLevel: 3,
                            child: Text(
                              'Steps to reproduce',
                              style: theme.textTheme.headlineSmall,
                            ),
                          ),
                          const Text('Issue description'),
                          Semantics(
                            header: true,
                            headingLevel: 3,
                            child: Text(
                              'Expected Results',
                              style: theme.textTheme.headlineSmall,
                            ),
                          ),
                          Semantics(
                            header: true,
                            headingLevel: 3,
                            child: Text(
                              'Actual Results',
                              style: theme.textTheme.headlineSmall,
                            ),
                          ),
                          Semantics(
                            header: true,
                            headingLevel: 3,
                            child: Text(
                              'Code Sample',
                              style: theme.textTheme.headlineSmall,
                            ),
                          ),
                          Semantics(
                            header: true,
                            headingLevel: 3,
                            child: Text(
                              'Screenshots',
                              style: theme.textTheme.headlineSmall,
                            ),
                          ),
                          Semantics(
                            header: true,
                            headingLevel: 3,
                            child: Text(
                              'Logs',
                              style: theme.textTheme.headlineSmall,
                            ),
                          ),
                        ],
                      ),
                    ),
                  ),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverFixedExtentList(
              itemExtent: 44.0,
              delegate: SliverChildBuilderDelegate(
                (BuildContext context, int index) {
                  return Card(
                    child: Padding(
                      padding: const EdgeInsets.all(8.0),
                      child: Text('Item $index'),
                    ),
                  );
                },
                childCount: 50,
                semanticIndexOffset: 1,
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 51,
                  child: Card(
                    child: Padding(
                      padding: const EdgeInsets.all(8.0),
                      child: Semantics(
                        header: true,
                        child: const Text('Footer 1'),
                      ),
                    ),
                  ),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 52,
                  child: Card(
                    child: Padding(
                      padding: const EdgeInsets.all(8.0),
                      child: Semantics(
                        header: true,
                        child: const Text('Footer 2'),
                      ),
                    ),
                  ),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 53,
                  child: Semantics(link: true, child: const Text('Link #1')),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 54,
                  child: OverflowBar(
                    children: <Widget>[
                      TextButton(
                        onPressed: () {},
                        child: const Text('Button 1'),
                      ),
                      TextButton(
                        onPressed: () {},
                        child: const Text('Button 2'),
                      ),
                    ],
                  ),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 55,
                  child: Semantics(link: true, child: const Text('Link #2')),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverSemanticsList(
                sliver: SliverFixedExtentList(
                  itemExtent: 44.0,
                  delegate: SliverChildBuilderDelegate(
                    (BuildContext context, int index) {
                      return Semantics(
                        role: SemanticsRole.listItem,
                        child: Card(
                          child: Padding(
                            padding: const EdgeInsets.all(8.0),
                            child: Text('Second List Item $index'),
                          ),
                        ),
                      );
                    },
                    childCount: 50,
                    semanticIndexOffset: 56,
                  ),
                ),
              ),
            ),
            SliverEnsureSemantics(
              sliver: SliverToBoxAdapter(
                child: IndexedSemantics(
                  index: 107,
                  child: Semantics(link: true, child: const Text('Link #3')),
                ),
              ),
            ),
          ],
        ),
      ),
    );
  }
}

// A sliver that assigns the role of SemanticsRole.list to its sliver child.
class SliverSemanticsList extends SingleChildRenderObjectWidget {
  const SliverSemanticsList({super.key, required Widget sliver})
    : super(child: sliver);

  @OverRide
  RenderSliverSemanticsList createRenderObject(BuildContext context) =>
      RenderSliverSemanticsList();
}

class RenderSliverSemanticsList extends RenderProxySliver {
  @OverRide
  void describeSemanticsConfiguration(SemanticsConfiguration config) {
    super.describeSemanticsConfiguration(config);
    config.role = SemanticsRole.list;
  }
}
```
</details>

Fixes: #160217

## Pre-launch Checklist

- [x] I read the [Contributor Guide] and followed the process outlined
there for submitting PRs.
- [x] I read the [Tree Hygiene] wiki page, which explains my
responsibilities.
- [x] I read and followed the [Flutter Style Guide], including [Features
we expect every widget to implement].
- [x] I signed the [CLA].
- [x] I listed at least one issue that this PR fixes in the description
above.
- [x] I updated/added relevant documentation (doc comments with `///`).
- [x] I added new tests to check the change I am making, or this PR is
[test-exempt].
- [x] I followed the [breaking change policy] and added [Data Driven
Fixes] where supported.
- [x] All existing and new tests are passing.
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Re-opening since #165589 was reverted. Working on a fix.

@Renzo-Olivares Renzo-Olivares reopened this Apr 9, 2025
@darshankawar darshankawar removed the r: fixed Issue is closed as already fixed in a newer version label Apr 10, 2025
github-merge-queue bot pushed a commit that referenced this issue Apr 11, 2025
This reverts commit 2fc716d, and updates the cross-axis size of the
`_scrollOverflowElement` to be 1px (non-zero), so it is taken into
account by the scrollable elements scrollHeight.

Fixes #160217

## Pre-launch Checklist

- [x] I read the [Contributor Guide] and followed the process outlined
there for submitting PRs.
- [x] I read the [Tree Hygiene] wiki page, which explains my
responsibilities.
- [x] I read and followed the [Flutter Style Guide], including [Features
we expect every widget to implement].
- [x] I signed the [CLA].
- [x] I listed at least one issue that this PR fixes in the description
above.
- [x] I updated/added relevant documentation (doc comments with `///`).
- [x] I added new tests to check the change I am making, or this PR is
[test-exempt].
- [x] I followed the [breaking change policy] and added [Data Driven
Fixes] where supported.
- [x] All existing and new tests are passing.

---------

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