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2018-12-04 20:05:07 ~japaric let's start this meeting!
2018-12-04 20:05:26 ~japaric the agenda is quite short today; let's start with the leftover edition items
2018-12-04 20:05:52 ~japaric seems that book/{getting-started,hal} are both blocked on svd2rust
2018-12-04 20:05:58 ~japaric that both**
2018-12-04 20:06:07 ~japaric so let's talk about svd2rust later
2018-12-04 20:06:34 ~japaric 3 - static guarantees is marked as done
2018-12-04 20:06:48 ~japaric 4 is c-tips
2018-12-04 20:06:58 ~japaric adamgreig: ^
2018-12-04 20:06:59 @jamesmunns got merged this week!
2018-12-04 20:07:02 ~japaric \o/
2018-12-04 20:07:14 @adamgreig o/
2018-12-04 20:07:21 @therealprof \o/
2018-12-04 20:08:02 ~japaric adamgreig: should we close #9?
2018-12-04 20:08:06 ~japaric https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/issues/9
2018-12-04 20:08:09 @korken89 Awesome!
2018-12-04 20:09:22 ~japaric I think the chapter covers more than what was planned in #9
2018-12-04 20:09:37 ~japaric so let's close #9
2018-12-04 20:09:43 @jamesmunns :+1:
2018-12-04 20:09:46 @korken89 sgtm
2018-12-04 20:10:23 ~japaric 5 - debugonomicon; any updates there?
2018-12-04 20:10:52 Hamilton2 May I jump in and ask japaric a couple of unrelated question to the meeting? :)
2018-12-04 20:11:11 @therealprof japaric: Not really IIRC.
2018-12-04 20:11:28 ~japaric Hamilton2: could you wait until the meeting is over?
2018-12-04 20:11:32 Hamilton2 ok :D
2018-12-04 20:11:46 @korken89 Nothing new sadly, I have had little time since last meeting to work on it
2018-12-04 20:12:16 @korken89 There are a lot of open issues if someone wants to take a stab as well, all help is welcome :)
2018-12-04 20:12:44 @therealprof Yeah, got plenty of ideas but had little time. Going to brighten up, though,
2018-12-04 20:13:05 ~japaric korken89: perhaps the debugonomicon should be mentioned in the next newsletter
2018-12-04 20:13:28 @korken89 This would be awesome, to help bring awareness and hopefully some extra contributions!
2018-12-04 20:13:46 ~japaric +1
2018-12-04 20:14:04 ~japaric korken89: there should be an issue for the next newsletter in the blog repo; you can comment over there
2018-12-04 20:14:19 @korken89 +1, will put a comment there!
2018-12-04 20:14:38 ~japaric moving on, issue 6 is the showcase site
2018-12-04 20:15:01 @therealprof \o/
2018-12-04 20:15:07 ~japaric as mentioned last week a mockup was posted to https://github.com/rust-embedded/showcase/issues/2
2018-12-04 20:15:39 @therealprof Looks fantastic.
2018-12-04 20:15:42 ~japaric there has mostly been positive feedback so I'm going to go ahead and set up CI to build the site
2018-12-04 20:16:33 @korken89 Yeah, looks really good
2018-12-04 20:17:01 ~japaric if someone wants to give me a hand with #3 (submission template) or #4 (grading rubric) that'd be awesome
2018-12-04 20:18:12 ~japaric I think that's it for the leftover edition issues
2018-12-04 20:18:42 ~japaric Rust 1.31 / 2018 edition should be out in 2 days
2018-12-04 20:18:58 ~japaric we should update some of the book to recommend stable instead of beta by then
2018-12-04 20:19:06 @korken89 \o/
2018-12-04 20:19:07 * thejpster will be happy to not have start each workshop explaining how to `rustup install beta`
2018-12-04 20:19:16 ~japaric :-)
2018-12-04 20:19:48 ~japaric next issue is about the embedded webpage
2018-12-04 20:20:00 ~japaric the new rust-lang.org was launched a few days ago: http://beta.rust-lang.org/what/embedded
2018-12-04 20:20:02 @thejpster I think we have some `extern crate` stanzas which aren't necessary. Or at least I wasn't sure they were neccessary, or that we did a good job of explaining why they were necessary. I'll follow up in the issue.
2018-12-04 20:20:07 ~japaric err http://beta.rust-lang.org
2018-12-04 20:20:53 @therealprof Looks fantastic!
2018-12-04 20:20:54 ~japaric thejpster: let's discuss that in the issue tracker (panic_handler crates are necessary; cortex-m-rt sometimes may be necessary)
2018-12-04 20:21:22 ~japaric the embedded webpage is at http://beta.rust-lang.org/what/embedded
2018-12-04 20:21:34 ~japaric we have the option of adding some code snippets to the page
2018-12-04 20:21:51 ~japaric the CLI webpage has some code in it http://beta.rust-lang.org/what/cli
2018-12-04 20:21:59 @korken89 The only thing I don't like is that the "Learn more" buttons do not align xD
2018-12-04 20:22:36 ~japaric if you have suggestions about what snippets we should add, if any, please comment in https://github.com/rust-embedded/wg/issues/259
2018-12-04 20:22:48 @jamesmunns korken89: theres an issue open for that already :)
2018-12-04 20:22:58 @jamesmunns I did ask for it, but it was lower prio than content
2018-12-04 20:23:03 @korken89 Awesome :D
2018-12-04 20:23:07 @jamesmunns And I don't know how CSS works.
2018-12-04 20:23:14 @jamesmunns :)
2018-12-04 20:23:51 @ithinuel ((hello))
2018-12-04 20:24:08 ~japaric ithinuel: hello
2018-12-04 20:24:40 ~japaric re the snippets issue we should make a decision in like one or two weeks
2018-12-04 20:24:58 ~japaric we can add the snippets before the year ends
2018-12-04 20:26:03 ~japaric last item on the agenda: svd2rust
2018-12-04 20:26:10 ~japaric there are a few things blocked on it
2018-12-04 20:26:18 ~japaric on a new release of it**
2018-12-04 20:26:36 @therealprof Yeah. And CI is wonky again…
2018-12-04 20:26:40 ~japaric jamesmunns: was there something you wanted to land before the release?
2018-12-04 20:26:59 ~japaric we were going to postpone the Cargo features
2018-12-04 20:27:05 @jamesmunns japaric: I think the last decision was to "push" the cargo features
2018-12-04 20:27:26 ~japaric therealprof: is it? got a link to failed build?
2018-12-04 20:27:36 @jamesmunns Yeah, I could strip out the other changes: making all targets generate code in the same way (some currently write to file, some write to stdout), and maybe the Cargo.toml generation
2018-12-04 20:27:39 * therealprof is looking
2018-12-04 20:27:46 @jamesmunns But I don't know if anyone wants that by itself.
2018-12-04 20:27:56 @jamesmunns Let me know if you do, though.
2018-12-04 20:28:32 ~japaric jamesmunns: it would be nice to make the code generation uniform
2018-12-04 20:28:41 ~japaric do you have time to make a PR for that?
2018-12-04 20:28:56 ~japaric otherwise I can a PR from #254, I think
2018-12-04 20:29:03 @jamesmunns I can do that this week, yeah. Maybe tonight or tomorrow
2018-12-04 20:29:10 ~japaric jamesmunns: +1 thanks
2018-12-04 20:29:24 ~japaric cr1901: around?
2018-12-04 20:30:02 @therealprof Weird. Is CI even running on svd2rust PRs at all?
2018-12-04 20:30:15 @therealprof https://github.com/rust-embedded/svd2rust/pull/263
2018-12-04 20:30:16 ~japaric I have some local breaking changes for the msp430 codegen part of svd2rust that are required to make msp430-rt closer to cortex-m-rt v0.6.x
2018-12-04 20:30:47 ~japaric if we don't want to block the v0.14.0 release on that we could disable the msp430 target for the v0.14.0 release
2018-12-04 20:31:08 ~japaric and then enable it again with the required msp430-rt changes
2018-12-04 20:31:21 ~japaric otherwise those changes would need to wait for v0.15.0
2018-12-04 20:31:40 ~japaric thoughts?
2018-12-04 20:32:30 ~japaric I can't land the msp430 stuff right now because it needs to be tested and I don't have a msp430 micro :-)
2018-12-04 20:33:07 @therealprof I'd prefer if we could unblock cortex-m-rt for now.
2018-12-04 20:33:55 ~japaric oh yeah, definitively; I think we should release v0.14.0 asap
2018-12-04 20:34:28 ~japaric the question is if we do what we proposed above for the msp430 or postpone the msp430-rt for v0.15.0
2018-12-04 20:35:01 @therealprof +1 for the latter
2018-12-04 20:35:44 ~japaric ok, I'll check with cr1901; if we don't get an answer in time we postpone the msp430-rt for v0.15.0
2018-12-04 20:36:18 ~japaric that covers all the items in the agenda
2018-12-04 20:36:32 ~japaric anyone would like to discuss anything in particular?
2018-12-04 20:37:17 Lumpio- Anything anything?
2018-12-04 20:37:30 @jamesmunns Compiler fences are maddening.
2018-12-04 20:37:34 @korken89 I have one thing, is anyone planning to go to embo++?
2018-12-04 20:37:39 @jamesmunns (or, trying to understand them)
2018-12-04 20:37:51 @korken89 I talked to the organizers, they are looking for Rust talks in embedded
2018-12-04 20:37:55 Lumpio- stm32f103xx-hal (or at least some HAL) needs to be on crates.io!
2018-12-04 20:37:57 ~japaric Lumpio-: anything that would benefit from being discussed during a meeting :-)
2018-12-04 20:38:11 hannobraun korken89: Me an Matthias Endler are planning to submit a proposal for a workshop.
2018-12-04 20:38:42 hannobraun I opened a GitHub issue a while back (I think you've seen it), but haven't heard about anything else.
2018-12-04 20:38:47 @thejpster korken89, I'm general unhappy about conferences that can't cover costs. It does limit speakers to those who are relatively well-off.
2018-12-04 20:38:52 @jamesmunns If anyone has feelings about when OxidizeConf should/shouldn't be, and aren't able to pre-purchase a ticket, feel free to DM/email me
2018-12-04 20:39:11 @jamesmunns (we also will be covering speaker costs)
2018-12-04 20:39:24 @thejpster jamesmunns, my boss wanted me to ping him a link to your conference. I think they're interested in supporting it.
2018-12-04 20:39:26 @korken89 hannobraun: Perfect, I talked to the organizer and there should be no problems
2018-12-04 20:39:27 Jacob_____ I wouldnt hold up svd2rust at all but Id like to see library/programmatic usage merged https://github.com/rust-embedded/svd2rust/pull/214
2018-12-04 20:39:38 @korken89 thejpster: The ticket to the conference is covered
2018-12-04 20:39:46 @korken89 However, not sure about the rest
2018-12-04 20:40:15 @korken89 jamesmunns: That's really good
2018-12-04 20:40:16 @jamesmunns I would love to see you all there, at least for the Impl days, even if you have no interest in Talks/Workshops :)
2018-12-04 20:40:22 ~japaric Jacob_____: I'll review your PR later today
2018-12-04 20:40:41 @jamesmunns thejpster: I'll send you a PM, but [email protected] is the best place to reach out for sponsorship info
2018-12-04 20:41:18 Jacob_____ @japaric I closed mine and Im aligned with tones111 older pr now. Though hes not exporting the build.rs which is something I can separately pr or whatever
2018-12-04 20:41:31 hannobraun jamesmunns: I'll be there if at all possible. Don't have anything non-optional in my calendar in April and May so far.
2018-12-04 20:41:45 Jacob_____ I think this is covered in the conversation there just wanted to point out I am still interested in it
2018-12-04 20:42:01 @korken89 jamesmunns: As long as it does not collide with embo++ I will most likely join :)
2018-12-04 20:42:07 @jamesmunns Jacob_____: I'll take a look at your PR too, and see if I can mesh my changes with what you have proposed
2018-12-04 20:42:09 @therealprof My calendar is already filling up for next year. If I can fit it in I'll be there.
2018-12-04 20:42:30 @therealprof Requires a date(ish) though…
2018-12-04 20:42:31 @jamesmunns Looks like embo++ is in March, so definitely shouldn't be a problem
2018-12-04 20:43:03 @jamesmunns Yup, still a WIP. hoping to have something concrete by end of year, hopefully before the 24th
2018-12-04 20:43:12 @korken89 \o/
2018-12-04 20:43:34 hannobraun korken: Just do what I did and block out all of April and May in your calendar ;)
2018-12-04 20:43:46 hannobraun korken89, I mean
2018-12-04 20:44:08 @korken89 :D
2018-12-04 20:44:21 @korken89 I need to start saving money for all the travels ^^
2018-12-04 20:45:34 * therealprof buys some time
2018-12-04 20:47:09 ~japaric I'm sensing some radio silence so I think we can finish this meeting early today
2018-12-04 20:47:30 @therealprof Do we have a plan for svd2rust?
2018-12-04 20:47:53 @therealprof Anything we need to do when 2018 edition lands?
2018-12-04 20:48:03 @thejpster Party like it's ... 2018?
2018-12-04 20:48:20 ~japaric therealprof: we can ship svd2rust after jamesmunns lands the PR cleaning up the file generation
2018-12-04 20:48:30 @thejpster Off topic - who wants to see Monotron do a directory listing from an SD card?
2018-12-04 20:48:42 @jamesmunns thejpster: I do, I do!
2018-12-04 20:48:43 ~japaric therealprof: you can open some champagne when the 2018 edition is out ;-)
2018-12-04 20:48:50 @therealprof thejpster: Bring it on. :-D
2018-12-04 20:48:53 @thejpster https://twitter.com/therealjpster/status/1067892809473114112
2018-12-04 20:49:16 @jamesmunns oh, if resource team people are here, please check the github team chat
2018-12-04 20:49:41 @therealprof japaric: Champagne is checked but I meant do we need to immediately follow with some updates to website, org site, books, twitter?
2018-12-04 20:49:48 @jamesmunns https://github.com/orgs/rust-embedded/teams/resources/discussions/2
2018-12-04 20:50:15 @jamesmunns I am behind on newsletters, but let me know if anyone wants tweets
2018-12-04 20:50:32 @jamesmunns Or, let me know if you want access to the twitter account (must be a resources team member)
2018-12-04 20:50:51 @therealprof No time to learn how twitter works…
2018-12-04 20:50:54 @therealprof :-D
2018-12-04 20:51:41 hannobraun therealprof: Like most social media, it works best if you don't have an account and think very little about it.
2018-12-04 20:52:04 @therealprof hannobraun: That I can do. :-D
2018-12-04 20:52:16 ~japaric therealprof: we can tweet the docs site when the edition is out and the embedded web page when the new r-l.o site is launched
2018-12-04 20:52:22 hannobraun therealprof: Always happy to help :)
2018-12-04 20:52:51 @korken89 Is there an open issue for the next newsletter? I can't seem to find it
2018-12-04 20:53:10 @jamesmunns https://github.com/rust-embedded/blog/issues/22
2018-12-04 20:53:13 @therealprof japaric: The last few svd2rust PRs and updated didn't seem to get picked up by CI.
2018-12-04 20:53:18 @jamesmunns but uh... yeah, I'm a bit late.
2018-12-04 20:53:44 @korken89 jamesmunns: Thanks!
2018-12-04 20:55:49 ~japaric therealprof: also there will be a blog post about the 2018 edition on the Rust blog featuring the domain WGs, which I forgot to mention last week since I wasn't here ;-)
2018-12-04 20:56:27 @jamesmunns japaric: oh, did we need to approve anything about that? They pinged us to review the copy, but I don't think I ever responded
2018-12-04 20:56:36 ~japaric jamesmunns and I provided the content
2018-12-04 20:56:44 ~japaric jamesmunns: I reviewed the text
2018-12-04 20:56:54 @jamesmunns :+1: tyvm
2018-12-04 20:57:37 @therealprof Nice.
2018-12-04 20:59:36 ~japaric that's it for this meeting; thanks everyone for attending; have a great week and see you next Tuesday!
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# Embedded WG

- [Coordination repository](https://github.com/rust-embedded/wg)
- [Milestone issues](https://github.com/search?q=org%3Arust-embedded++is%3Aopen+milestone%3A2018&type=Issues)
- Meetings: Tuesdays 8 PM Europe/Berlin time - #rust-embedded @ irc.mozilla.org
# Attendance

**Write your GH username or IRC handle here!**

- japaric
- hannobraun
- nastevens
- therealprof
- korken89
- adamgreig


# Agenda
##
## Leftover edition issues


[ ] 1 book/getting-started

Status (W48):

- No progress, still TODO
- Probably also blocked by svd2rust 0.14

Status (W47):

- TODO add #[interrupt] section


[ ] 2 book/hal

Status (W48):

- Some blockers, namely svd2rust and cortex-m-rt updates
- Mixing and matching versions causing problems

Status (W47):

- a diagram has been added https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/pull/84
- see also https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/pull/83
- adamgr landed some corrections (Thanks!)
- TODO: examples (wishlist item)


[x] 3 book/static-guarantees

Status (W47):

- Type state chapter was moved under this chapter - https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/pull/80
- added intro text - https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/pull/92


[x] 4 book/c-tips

Status (W49):

- landed https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/pull/81

Status (W48):

- draft, items addressed, back to waiting on reviewer

Status (W47):

- draft (S-waiting-on-author) https://github.com/rust-embedded/book/pull/81


[ ] 5 debugonomicon

Status (W49):

- No change
- Help wanted; let’s mention this in the next newsletter

Status (W48):

- korken89 to look at it soon
- TODO: Burn down items on https://github.com/rust-embedded/debugonomicon/issues

Status (W47):

- https://github.com/rust-embedded/debugonomicon/pull/15 landed


[ ] 6 embedded Rust showcase

Status (W49):

- japaric will set up CI to build the site
- help wanted: https://github.com/rust-embedded/showcase/issues/3 and https://github.com/rust-embedded/showcase/issues/4

Status (W48):

- japaric worked on it! review https://github.com/rust-embedded/showcase/issues/2 and check out the preview of the new website

Status (W47):

- japaric is working on it; expect movement in https://github.com/rust-embedded/showcase soon


## code snippet for the embedded webpage?

http://beta.rust-lang.org/what/embedded

https://github.com/rust-embedded/wg/issues/259


[rust-embedded/wg#259](https://github.com/rust-embedded/wg/issues/259)


## svd2rust